When I’m writing
shorthand, some words drop really low, while others rise really high.
Should I let them collide with other words, or leave space so they don’t
collide? My concern is that it will get confusing either way.

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  1. When I'm writing shorthand, some words drop really low, while others rise really high. Should I let them collide with other words, or leave space so they don't collide? My concern is that it will get confusing either way.

  2. I noticed in reading my textbook that they leave enough space so the high/low symbols don't touch.  I have that problem too and so I have a lot of space between my symbols and use a lot of paper.  Of course all my symbols are big… Just give yourself enough space to write the high/low symbols.  I find it too confusing if they do touch other symbols (even as some have in the textbook). Debbi

  3. Sometimes I double space.  That's why I thought I might need a Pitman steno pad (Gregg Ruled v. Pitmann Ruled – link).   It has less lines and I write big. I only double space if needed.  Debbi

  4. Not colliding with shorthand forms from the line above it is a skill that comes from good practice in visualizing outlines before writing them.  It is not good to collide your outlines, as that only happens once in all of Charles Rader's Simplified writing in the Gregg Shorthand Manual Simplified.

  5. As long as you are able to transcribe the notes, it doesn't really matter.  But if you are writing so that someone else would be able to read your notes (like in the books), it's better not to make them clash.  Incidentally, as you read more "well-written" shorthand you will find outlines clashing all the time.

  6. I like Pitman ruling for taking medical Gregg. the wider spacing is helpful for all of the disjoined affixes that occur i more advanced types of Gregg. Brian

  7. For me, I would have put the 'I do not' over after the 'ry' in 'lirbrary'.  So it would be where 'like' is.  That's how I space mine so they don't collide. If there had been another drop word on the same line as library, and even though space in between on the line below, i would have skipped the line entirely instead of trying to put one outline in there.  That's why I double space sometimes. Debbi

  8. Hi everyone. My names Tyler…I'm a recovering ROCS sufferer. I've admitted that I'm powerless over Regular Outline Collision Syndrom (ROCS) and that only one greater than I can aid me (Mr. Rader perhaps?). In a quest for salvation, I delved into a deep study of the ancient ways. Many nights I spent pouring over such manuscripts as Gregg Writer and my favorite Aesops Fable…The Boy…and His Goose. I finally discovered the answer…as it seems many of you have already. Double-spacing!! It's so wonderful!! Not the greatest paper saver…but screw the trees! God made'm FOR paper…otherwise they wouldn't be made of wood, would they? I find that double spacing is a great eye-saver for those straining times when you go over and over and over two outline's that've crossed and can't decypher them. And, since the time when I started writing only two lines per page (even spaced on the two "thirds" folds of the page), my writing speed's stayed the same! With double spacing's two line per page method, now I can write words like probablificavitivitification…WITH A GETTAWAY!! With blinding speed and accuracy and no fear of words crossing!   I hope I've given some hope to fellow sufferers out there…(Now I'm off to see if "The Boy and His Goose" is actually a fable : ) ./[tyler]

  9. I found a collision in the Functional Method, Anniversary Edition.  It's on page 153, in the lower right side, about 6th & 7th line up from the bottom.  I was trying to spell/sound it out by thinking "prevm…" then saw the "nt" (my excuse I was tired, too, sitting at the DMV waiting for my turn). Debbi

  10. In longhand if you make a mistake, you draw a line through the word and re-write the correct word you had meant to use. Or if a word was left out, you use the (v)insert symbol  and write the word you had meant to use above that symbol. What do you do in shorthand, when you wrote the wrong word wish to insert a forgotten word?

  11. Most people just draw a line through the outline (for a single word, the line is a forward backstroke, which does not exist in Gregg Shorthand's alphabet (as it is not part of regular longhand writing) and for more words, a wavy line is drawn through. To insert the word, many people rely on the second column. If you are using the second column, do your best to insert the word near the deletion. Most people, when they write and get behind, just skip a few lines and continue dictation and hope that they can use context and fresh memory come break-time to fill in the gap.


  12. Just for the record, when the plates were written from which the books were reproduced, collisions were not permitted.  Outlines were spaced differently or words were changed to avoid having them overlap.  As the other Marc says, overlap makes transcribing come to a complete halt.   And, if anyone cares, the trip to Florida was FANTASTIC.  O:-)   Marc  

  13. <>  If you don't have a free column or room, I learned this procedure in a Secretary's Manual.  Write a longhand letter, starting with A and circle it in that place.  Then where you have room (usually the end of the dictation) write the A and the insertion.  You continue in that fashion. So when you transcribe, you see the circled A and then know that there is an insertion, go to the end of your diction and find the missing words.  Then you go back to your shorthand notes where the first A is.  Continue transcribing.  If there is a cricled B you know there's another insertion and go to the end of the diction and find the second circled B.  And so on.  If you are taking notes from someone who is continuely changing or adding things, you could flip the notebook over, if possible or skip a few pages and even fold the paper out so you know where you continueing. Another idea is to have a darker pen or a red pen handy.  I've done this.  Then you use that to make corrections.  Also a red pen is great to make corrections to your own shorthand notes if you have time.  The red pen is generally used for those circled letters, so they're easy to find, I think, can't remember now, but I think so.  it was used for something important LOL.   Debbi

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