F and V

 You’re all such smart people…here’s my dilemma: no matter how hard i try, I can’t write the stroke for F and V. For some reason I can’t get the deepest part of the curve at the top, it always wants to be in the middle, which makes FR and FL impossible to write and F and V almost indistinguishable from chay and J inside an outline. I had trouble with some of the other strokes until I found in some book or other where the stroke was inside a longhand letter (the stroke for K is like the top of a longhand M, for example). Even with all the penmanship helps uploaded recently, I still havent figured it out. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how i could possibly make a legible F and V.

(by edgemere829 for everyone)

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  1. Hi,   I'm just starting out so I may not be a lot of help but when I was trying (today!) I had trouble too. What helped me was going back to the first principles of the elliptical figures that the characters were derived from.   Try drawing the vertical ellipse shape in the Anniversary manual PDF that is at the start of chapter two. If you can draw the ellipse you should be able to form part of it which is the perfect shape.   Steve

  2. I have a couple of suggestions:   1.  Think of the F and V as elongated commas: the difference being that the V starts from the top of the line and goes down and the F starts in the middle and goes down.  Perhaps by thinking that it is a comma, you will get the right motion.   2.  Try the barrel roll drill.  See it demonstrated here:       The drill (which helps with g, k, f, v, gv, and kf) should be practiced only long enough to enable you to get the swing and carry it over into the writing of the characters themselves.  Note that this swing results in a deeper curvature at the end of the k and g and at the beginning of f and v.  The hand should be performing in smooth, continuous circular motion, dropping and lifting the pen to make the strokes, but never losing a beat in the rhythm of the swing.   Let us know if this helps.  

  3. Well, I happen to be the dumb one of the bunch, but here's my theory. If your shorthand curves dont want to leave the middle of the outline, its because your longhand is the same way. I think Steve is right on that it is all about the way you comfortably write elipses. My longhand is quite slanted, so when I started writing Gregg, I automatically placed the curves on a slant. I was surprised when I got to the part that explained where the curve was to be placed, because I had already been doing it correctly (a rare occurance for me). I think it's an essential principle of Gregg that handwriting, short or longhand, be slanted.

  4. I'm pretty sure it is because of my longhand, it has no slant at all unless I turn the paper a full 90 degrees, so the top is pointing to my left. Which i have just started doing when I try to write Gregg, and it is helping, but not as much with the F and V. I've tried drawing the ellipse and it didn't help, but that barrel roll drill shows promise…I can now write very pretty KF and GV blends, I just have to separate them out.   Thanks for all the help!

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