Bending the Rules

Hello Everyone,

I like to pretty much stick “by the book” when using shorthand; I’m hesitant to create my own shorthand strokes or to bend the rules that Gregg has set forth.  However, I have been thinking for a long time about the symbols for the “y” sound, which vary, of course, depending upon which Gregg version you are using. 
To me, the Gregg symbol for “ia,” as in “piano” and “create,” would be ideal for expressing the “yuh” sound of the “y.”  It would also work for other letters, such as the “yuh” sound in “union.”  Currently, the standard way of writing “union” in shorthand is simply “long u (the “e” circle plus the “u” hook)”; “n,” “u on its side,” then “n.”  This completely omits the “yuh” sound in the word “union.”
What does anyone or everyone think of using the “ia” symbol (the A circle with a dot inside) to represent the “yuh” sound?  To me, it’s much easier than the flattened “A” circle for “ya” and the flattened “e” circle for “ye.”  I seem never to be able to pen those symbols accurately. 
Any comments?
Hope all is well with everyone.  I’ve been fortunate enough to be on extended vacation in Ireland; sorry I’ve been so silent lately, especially since I’m a relatively new member.  I really like this group and hope to participate extensively.
NipperSnick1 (Steve)

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5 comments Add yours
  1. I more like the loops for ya and ye and the e circle + u hook for yu. It makes perfect sense.

    Y ([ j ]) is a palatal approximant, which might as well make it a vowel. It just makes sense to spell unit e u n e t. A short ee plus another vowel makes the yuh sound. It is merely a matter of facility with ya and ye. It is easier to quickly produce a loop than to write a whole circle and dot or dash it. It just takes practice.

    With shorthand, though, you should do what it takes to get faster. If using the ea circle is more facile to you, use it.

  2. According to the phonetic system, "union" begins with a semivowel sound [ j ]  like "you", "young", etc.  It's not considered neither as a full vowel sound nor a full consonant sound.  How do you pronounce "the" before "union":  di or de?

  3. It is pronounced [ ðə ], since the [ j ] is considered by many to be a consonant instead of a vowel, even though it is just a short [ i ]. What the original poster is proposing is using the medial/final [ i.a ] stroke at the beginning of the word, instead of the loop. Though it is logically acceptable, it may be less facile. It is easier to write a loop than it is to make a circle and dot it. The loop can be hard; however, it, like all penmanship principles, can be gained well with practice.

  4. Any diacritical mark drastically slows writing speed. The hand has to lift up, move back to wherever the mark needs to go, and place it there–a series of motions that takes much more time than any stroke that is connected to the outline.
    Back in the day when shorthand writing motions were scientifically studied, this was one of the important findings.
    It explains why phrases make writing go faster–they cut down the number of lifts. It also explains why the dots and dashes that were used to distinguish different vowel sounds, in the original version of the Gregg system, were eventually abandoned.
    So a circle with a dot in it would be too slow to write for a sound as common as "yu". And if the dot were left out, it would look like "a", which would cause serious confusion.
    What we're really up against here is the fact that there are more vowel sounds in English than two hooks and three circles can really express.

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