Help….I’m new

Hey, I’m new to shorthand and Gregg Shorthand looked the most promising and was the best looking and seemed to be the most common. I’m stuck at which system to use, though. I want to use shorthand to facilitate and speed up my note taking. The thing is I speak both French and english, and I go to school in french. So I was wondering if Gregg supports the French sounds as well as english sounds and which would be the best type to use, or if anyone knew of any other systems that support french and english and any links to information about those.
Thanks alot. 

(by polar_pawz for everyone)

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  1. Welcome. Do you live in Canada, and that's why your paws are polar?   Here's some link to threads that talk about French Shorthand, Gregg and otherwise — there's been quite a bit of discussion on this issue.   French Gregg Shorthand   From Pitman to Gregg   Slope and handwriting  

  2. Thanks Chuck, I really like a copy of the French Anniversary manuel. Just one question how efficient is the Anniversary series for general note taking. I heard that there are alot of shortforms to remember…
    polar_pawz

  3. Welcome to the group.  Yes, Gregg has been adapted to French, and other shorthand systems have been too (but of course, I'll recommend Gregg ).  In terms of the series, both Gregg Anniversary and Diamond Jubilee were available in French.  I have a scanned copy of the French Gregg Anniversary manual, if you are interested.

  4. In terms of efficiency, the older the series, the more efficient they are because they use less strokes to represent words. This is, of course, at the expense of more things to memorize. The later series are less efficient (more strokes), which means less to memorize because more is spelled out. It all depends on how much time you want to spend on it.

  5. Is there any difference in the look of the different Greggs, besides the shortforms they changed?
    Like if I were to write the word 'letter' in Anniversary Gregg, would it be different from Diamond Jubilee Gregg or 90 Gregg?

  6. But letter is a short form, or brief form, so maybe it's not the example you were looking for.  The major difference in the look of the different versions is that earlier versions look very beautiful and streamlined; later versions a little more busy, since more words are spelled out.  Other than that, the letterforms are identical, so as long as a word is spelled out, you could read it in any version.   _________________________________ Go, Speedwriter, go!

  7. On second thought, the "jent" blends is missing from the later versions.  That, you wouldn't recognize.  You may have noticed too that Anniversary includes optional vowel marks that specify which sound the vowel makes.  I'm probably leaving some out, since I don't know Anniversary, but generally speaking, Gregg is Gregg, and can be read across versions. ______________________________ Go, Speedwriter, go!

  8. Okay Chuck, I'm game!  I'll be the first ginny pig!  Here's my DJS sample for the new guy.  You're going to wait and post yours last aren't you Chucky?  That's fine!  Show-off!    Maybe if someone sees how imperfect mine looks, they'll feel brave enough to post theirs too.    Thanks for suggesting this idea…I truly enjoy writing and sharing shorthand.  Bye now!  Ms. Letha 

    Attachment: DJSsample.jpg

  9. I agree with John.   I think you can see a difference in all versions if you write the following sentence:   That short man waving his hand is a very gentle individual, but an orator of the first kind: his eloquent speeches are always appropriate, and he proves it day after day.   Any takers?

  10. Thanks Ms. Letha for taking the challenge!  It's so nice to see you posting back.   I noticed that after I typed my sentence, I left a word out.  The sentence should be:   That short man waving his hand is a very gentle individual, but an orator of the first kind: his eloquent speeches are always appropriate, and he proves it unassumingly day after day.

  11. Thanks, Mark!   You're right about 'day after day'. I just checked my Pre-Anny manual. You omit 'after', but don't join the words (so it's d-a d-a). Same goes for month, week, year, hour and time. If you do join them, it means 'from day to day', 'from time to time' etc. That's quite a useful disctinction.   Go on – post yours. You're among friends 🙂

  12. Viewing these examples, and seeing others in a DJS Manual, it seems to me that DJS is awfully long-winded. As noted above, "letter" is 4 strokes; I saw the word "acknowledge" as 5 or 6 strokes. With this in mind, what's the speed potential of DJS, in terms of WPM?

    On a related note, I can't find the DJS Sample mentioned here previously; where is it?

  13. I am new here, I just found this site yesterday. Is there a virture
    classroom here or do we study on our own?

    Nita Bandy

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  14. Your sample looks very good.  I must be rougher than I thought, I couldn't figure out all the words.  Your shorthand is beautiful, inspires me to strive harder.  Thank you for sharing with us.   Nita

  15. Hi, Nita, welcome to the group.  We basically all study on our own using a manual.  If you get stuck, or have any questions, ask the group.  If you don't have a manual, you can download the Anniversary version for free from Andrew's site http://gregg.angelfishy.net.  The reason you couldn't figure out some of the above written outlines may be that they are abbreviations from a different version of Gregg.  See the version comparison chart in the documents section.   __________________________ Go, Speedwriter, go!

  16. Yikes!  Now I know what is wrong with the Gregg Shorthand dictionary I bought.     It is a Diamond Jubilee Series!  When I looked up the word 'gentle' I noticed the odd (to me) figure. Instead of the deep curve,  the DJS does "jay" plus "ent".  

  17. I'd like to add in this thread that I really appreciate this board.  It has been a big help to me.  Heck, I didn't even know that the dictionary I bought was for the wrong version!   So, I just ordered a Simplified dictionary through Amazon.   From what I've been reading, I definitely want to stay with Simplified.

  18. Thank you!   We're doing our best to revive French pen stenography, whether it be Pr챕vost-Delaunay, Duploy챕 or Aim챕-Paris.   Polar Pawz knows the site. I have advised him to start Gregg shorthand.

  19. I have purchased a French Gregg Manual and a French Gregg Speed Studies manual through ABE.com. I suggest you monitor the daily offerings under Shorthand, Gregg Shorthand and Taquigraphie Francaise. It takes quite a bit of your time but a treasure is worth the effort, n'est pas!         Doc

  20. Hello Chuck, I found your post regarding the French manual on this site. Do you still have this available to send to a person who requests it of you? I'd deeply appreciate it if you'd be able to provide me with a copy. Would it be possible for you to put it into a .rar archive and send it by email?
    I've begun taking a French language course and I'd like to be able to find shortcuts and cross-references so that I can apply GSH to both English and French.
    Thanks!

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