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  1. Welcome to the group, Ben.  There are quite a few choices for literature, but it all depends on which series of Gregg are you studying.  In general, more literature is available with the earlier versions of Gregg — in the later ones, literature is limited to business correspondence.   John, can this thread be moved to the main forum, as this would be of interest to everyone?

  2. Actually, while it is a book of fables, Tyler's text is NOT the Aesop's Fables book. I have a copy of both, and the content is different. But Tyler's text is still great, and I'm glad that he has scanned it in and posted it for us here.   Kindest, Stenomouse

  3. A shortcoming of MSN Groups is that posts cannot be pinned or relocated. Ben, this discussion is certainly allowable in the anything goes section (anything is); it would also be appropriate for the General discussion, since it is Gregg related, if you want to post there as well.

    As far as Gregg literature, you may have already noticed the Aesop's Fables booklet scanned by Tyler and posted on Andrew's site in the Anniversary section.


    Go, Speedwriter, go!

  4. George, it is not that they are not suitable; rather that there was no interest in writing non-business-related material in Gregg.  You can write anything with any version of Gregg.   I'm not so sure about the legality of taking material from the magazine and put it on a website.  My expectation is that you cannot reproduce the contents.  Unless, of course, you put your own writing!

  5.  When I danced on American Bandstand as a teenager, we Regulars were featured  monthly in 16 magazine and several other teen rags. Now forty years later I wanted to get permission to reprint some old pictures and articles in our Bandstand Alumni stuff. When I called 16 (still in operation) they said the old stuff was public domain, so I did not need any permission and was under no limitations in using the old articles and pictures.     Doc

  6. I have had the same question. I will have, pretty soon I hope, seven or more shorthand reading books listed as published by Gregg before 1929: Alice in Wonderland, Letters of a Self-Made Merchant to his Son, The Diamond Necklace, The Man Without a Country, A Christmas Carol, The Great Stone Face, Creeds of Great Business Men. I want to put them on a web site for others to peruse, but not without knowing that they are now public domain. They are listed as costing 28 cents, except for Alice…which cost 60 cents. They cost a bit more now. So, if anyone in this forum knows something about this, I would appreciate having the information, and if legal, I will put them on my website…after I get them.

  7. You may find some of these titles lying on dusty shelves in second-hand bookstores (it's always an exciting find if it happens!), and some of them come up regularly on E-Bay.  ABE books (www.abe.com) will also have some, but you're going to pay substantially more than their original prices!   The "Alice in Wonderland" is in a class by itself, because it's of interest not only to shorthand collectors but primarily to "Alice" collectors.  Copies on ABE books usually are listed in excess of $100, sometimes much higher.  It also comes up once in a while on E-Bay, but there's often serious bidding with a resultant high price.  Also, be aware that it was printed in both a hardback edition, and a rather cheap paperback edition.    Alex

  8. Thanks, Alex. In fact, I did use Abe to order all but one. Most came from the East coast, but one could only be found in Irland. And you are right: Alice cost a lot. But, all the rest were really pretty reasonable. The ones I ordered were all paperback. No hardbacks were advertised at that time. Doing this was pretty impulsive…kind of like when you're on a roll gambling…couldn't stop. I hope my determination to actually learn shorthand is as strong. I'm on lesson 11 in series 90 and still fascinated by this system,

  9. Hi Toadgut,   Congratulations on a fine library! I wish I could sit down in an easy-chair with one of those books. They are probably written in Anniversary Gregg, right? It would be nice to have a reverse dictionary so that one could look up the shorthand and see the possibilities for the English. Sometimes Anni Gregg can be a little harder to read I think. I’m interested in how your Series 90 is working to prepare you for reading Anni.   I too have looked around at the various different versions of Gregg and that in itself is an interesting thing. Since you are learning Series 90 and getting a library that is written in Anniversary my hunch is that you will tend to adopt the shorter Anniversary terms as you become familiar with them, what do you think? I’d be interested to know if this happens. With your Series 90 background, how easy is it for you to read the Anni? I was learning Anni but switched to DJS because of what I’ve read from postings here. I think it will be quicker and easier to learn, however, if I already know a shorter Anni version for a phrase or word then I think it would make sense to use it. I’ll bet your new library will change your shorthand more towards Anni – in a most pleasant way!   Ultimately migration to Anni might happen for me, but I think the DJS will be easier for me to read right now. How about you? I think I share your enthusiasm for jumping in and checking out everything right away. I’m doing the same thing now and the comparison between different versions of Gregg is interesting. I’d enjoy reading something delightful like Dickens. Your library is enticing. I think you will be able to sustain your enthusiasm for shorthand with your new books and I hope you will be able to share them with us. That was a generous and very thoughtful offer you made to put them on your website. Thanks! I hope it turns out that they are public domain. If not, then do you want to become a library? Tee-hee-hee, I just want to read them without paying a fortune!   On slant: You posted elsewhere that you have a rather straight slant because you write with your left hand, and the question of chay, ish, and j was brought up. Any problem telling them apart when you read your own writing? I didn’t pay much attention to slant in the beginning. Now when I see the chay and ish in isolation, in the DJS book’s list of letters, I also find the t and d in the list just to reassure myself of which is which. It hasn’t been a problem with words in context, but in a list of letters they can look similar.   When you look back to the earlier pages of your writing can you read it easily? I find that I need to get going with the context of my writing and then I can tell what I wrote – I cannot yet just glance at the page and have the topic pop out at me the way it would in longhand. The short words pop out but I’m not familiar enough yet to immediately recognize all the words the way one can in longhand. I hope you will share with us your experience in reading the new classics in your library. Congratulations on getting it!

  10. At the time I wrote that, I had just ordered them. Only now are they starting to come in. I know some of them are on Project Gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.org/
    and so I can just compare the two versions and figure it out pretty easily. As far as the Series 90 goes, I am no longer trying to move through the material quickly. I have been on a single practice exercise now for 4 days: reading it, copying it, transcription to shorthand, recorded dictation to shorthand, practicing phrases and difficult words over and over again verbalizing out loud, and only today am I trying to get a little more speed and maintain control. I write extremely large and so I exaggerate the long and minimize the short and I have no trouble recognizing my own writing, probably because I work on each passage so long that I have it memorized. Now that the books are coming in, I'm sure I can get some of them up on a web-site. If there is no copyright on the originals in the U.S. then it is probably safe to put up the shorthand version…but I just want to do a little more checking. I was hoping someone here would already know the legal details.

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