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  1. That's interesting, John, but do tell–why do you dislike Anniversary?

    From a Pitman writer's point of view, it seems the most superior (if difficult) Gregg system.

    (On this note, Anniversary Gregg looks almost as hard as Pitman!)

  2. George,   Permit me please to eavesdrop on your conversation with John. In actuality preAnniversary Gregg is actually a bit more difficult than Anniversary. When schools started ordering Anniversary there was a huge outcry from shorthand teachers who were completely satisfied with the 1916 edition. Then errors were discovered in Anniversary and corrected in later printings. Gregg was not involved himself due to his first wife's death. A  series of books were published during the 1930's to supplement Anniversary and overcopme it's perceived shortcomings. The next series Gregg worked on was Simplified, which took into account the educational theories of the 1940's. Most retired secretaries from the last days of the golden age of shorthand were trained in Simplified. However, not even the earliest editions of Gregg approached even the later editions of Pitman in terms of difficulty. Pitman theory and multiple options of letter formation have always presented a greater challenge to students and experienced users. I feel personally that any edition of any brand of shorthand presents a challenge that could be met by any student of shorthand. If you have mastered any system and style of shorthand, stick with it. Learning another brand of shorthand just out of personal choice for whatever the reason is commendable, sort of like studying multiple foreign languages. But obsessing over which edition of Gregg, Pitman , etc. is the best can only lead to frustration as there are so many subjective opinions (mine included) out there! For the beginner this website provides an adequate description and comparison of the various editions of Gregg. Switchhitting in midstream without clear justification can make mastery an illusive goal!       Doc

  3. Doc:

    I wasn't really meaning to compare Pitman and Gregg, exactly. I was just saying that from my cursory glance at the Angelfishy website–and the Anniversary section in particular–Anniversary really does look hard to me. There seems a thousand short forms and dozens of rules, e.g. "reverse r", the "gent" stroke, etc.

    That being said, Anniversary looks "prettier" to me than later versions; DJS and later look like ordinary handwriting, while the swoops and circles (and diacritical marks) in Anniversary give it an other-worldly feeling. But beauty is subjective, isn't it?

  4.   Hello guys.  I've just joined your group here and I've been reading the discussions for the past few days (John recommended this site). I must say I was starting to get a complex on having studied DJS in high school.  Thanks Doc – I will stick with my DJS and re-learn it.  I feel things will come back the more I review and I'd hate to be switching versions and get mixed up.  Wouldn't that be a hoot – write using DJS and another version at the same time.  But I guess if you can read it, is it really a problem which system you use?   I think I'm going to enjoy joining this group.  You all sound like you have a good sense of humor and that is something that I could sure use sometimes.  Take care and have a great weekend.   Joanne    

  5. Hi Joanne, and welcome. From my point of view, there is a bias in this group toward Anny and Simplified, but there are DJS writers and even an S90 writer or two. As George and Doc say: it is entirely subjective which series you like and use. I, like you, learned DJS in high school, and so have a fondness for it.   There are some things in Simplified I really like the look of: the jnt/pnt blend, for instance, and the o-hook on it's side before r and l. I will use them if I'm just writing slow notes to myself, but I find myself just writing the straight j then nd (as in agenda) and the o-hook upright in "or" and "all" when I'm writing fast.   I know I will want to add new brief forms when I get to the point of increasing my speed past 90 or 100, but at the moment I'm sticking with the 129 of the original DJS.   Be proud! Lots of group members never had a chance to learn it in high school, or had the chance to transcribe it on a manual typewriter!   Billy (sidhetaba)

  6. <> I do that, I learned DJS and then Anniversary (wanted to write faster and just learn it).  But I'm getting more and more Anniversary, very few come out in DJS now.  At first it was both, especially when I was in a meeting and hadn't learned all of Anniversary. Debbi

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