Anniversary/simplified/DJ vowels

For some of you with more experience: (I guess that would be anyone….)

After reading aroung the Gregg sites on the web, and this one, I’ve decided to go with learning either DJ or Simplified–I’m leaning to Simplified, since I’ve already got the book, and he extra brief forms don’t appear to be too much trouble.

So, in all of this comparison, I noticed something odd–and I’m probably not the first to notice it.

The vowels in Anniversary have marks to differentiate between different “a” sounds, and different “o” sounds. The summary of DJS that I have printed off shows the same markings. But they don’t appear in my Simplified text anywhere–at least not that I can find.

So, did Gregg drop them, and then find out they were needed—or have I missed something. And if they were dropped, and were needed, should I learn them and use, or go with DJ.

Thanks for your input

(by harpweaver for everyone)

6 comments Add yours
  1. Where did you get the summary of DJ?   There are no vowel diacriticals in DJ, and someone recently said that these marks were left out of the second edition of Simplified.   As a DJ writer, I have to admit that I have not had any need of these marks — but I have added some Simplified outlines to my writing — especially words that crop up at work that are shorter in Simplified.   Good luck.   sidhe

  2. The summary pdf file was on Lee Holmes' site, accessed from this page: http://gregg.angelfishy.net/djbfs.shtml

    So, I'm glad to know, then, that they weren't added back in later on. I guess that the summary compiler just assumed that the vowels had not changed since Anniversary.

    It does seem that the system would be _much_ simpler without these marks (1/3 the number of vowels to choose between). English spelling is so irregular that I can't think of an instance where they would clarify the meaning anyway.

    But, maybe some of you Anniversary writers would want to chime in with examples where the diacriticalt might be needed.

    Chuck Nix

  3. It looks like the diagram was copied from the Gregg Anniversary manual. The diagram appears on the unnumbered page right before Chapter 1. It is not Diamond Jubilee. Notice that it includes the jent-d, pent-d blend, which was eliminated from Diamond Jubilee.

    In general, vowel markings are not frequently used. One place where it is used is in the word "emigrate," where a dot is placed on the first "e" to distinguish it from "immigrate." Also, in the Anniversary text, since the letter "o" usually stands for "of," I've seen where they mark the "o" with a dash for the word "owe" and a dot for the word "awe."
    Sometimes they are used in word lists to indicate which of several words is intended.

    I think that Simplified is a good choice to learn. One advantage it has is that it is closer to Anniversary, which means Anniversary will be easier to learn in case you ever want to learn it. I should know. When I went from DJS to Anniversary, there were a number of things I had to unlearn, such as o before r and l, and past tense of brief forms.

  4. Harpweaver,

    I'm an Anniversary writer who topped out at 150. There seems to be some confusion over the marking of vowels.

    Vowels are ONLY marked in RARE instances where marking the vowel makes transcription easier. The prime example for me was distinguishing OF from OWE. A long-vowel indicator made OWE stand out clearly when it came time to type up the transcript.

    Most outlines are distinctive enough or context gives the clue as to which vowel sound is correct.

    Anniversary writers do NOT mark every vowel!

    Marc

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