Theory Question

I disagree with the text for the word “association”.

Well, disagree might be too strong, but I keep writing it

A (clockwise)  –  s (clockwise) – o – s (counter-cw) – a (counter-cw) – sh(tion) . The second A sticks out to the right.

The text (Gregg simplified functional 2nd edition) has the second s and a go clockwise, so the A goes to the left.

My way makes a better “point” for the u-s join. Their way is a finickier join for u-s and the A crashes into the u. (Not in the book, of course, but that’s what I get.)

It’s Assignment 11-95, on page 53. Lydia is being asked about Miami Beach.

Question:

Is this a case where the rules allow either way, or is it important?

Thanks!

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  1. Alas, I lack the functional version of the second edition, so the material on Page 53 in the regular manual is not anything about Lydia. Your query made me wonder how U-S enters into any outline for "association". Not having the Simplified Dictionary handy, I did look in the Anniversary and would recommend regardless of version "association" be written A-S-O-SH. Perhaps your original question could best be answered by Simplified dropping the indication of "R" following a circle vowel by reversing the circle. (Now, that's an awkward sentence, but I'm sure you know what I mean.) The people who developed Simplified were experienced shorthand writers who'd used the reverse principle for years, so to prevent confusion on everyone's part they maintained the consistency of how and where the circle vowels were written. Perhaps Chuck can suggest a better answer to your question.

  2. Oops, should have said "o-s" join.

    It's not listed in Anni's brief forms, so it's probably that chapter near the end of Anni that says you can leave out the last part of many words. There may be a similar chapter near the end of Simplified.

    The lesson is about "I-A" and "E-A", so maybe they spelled it out for the lesson, and a later chapter might tell us half the word is unnecessary.

    Meanwhile, I look forward to hearing from others. Is there a rule I'm not remembering, from Simplified or other version, or is it ambiguous?

  3. When Gregg shorthand was devised for reporting purposes pupils were taught "the abbreviating principle". In essence only write through the first accented syllable all long words when what they are can clearly be determined from context. I'm not sure Simplified taught that principle directly however towards the end of the Manual many words are introduced as "special forms" for long words. Truthfully, anyone today familiar with text messaging should take to the abbreviating principle like the proverbial ducks take to water.

  4. I think the reason for the awkward joining in Simplified is since "association" comes from "associate", which is written "a – right s – o – right s – a – t", by writing "association" as "a – right s – o – right s – a – sh" it keeps the root of word. Remember that in Simplified, a lot of the outlines come from analogical endings. But, to be honest, you should learn the brief form: a – right s – o – sh. Much quicker!!!

  5. I'm of two minds about the brief form. One part says to trust the book, each and every page of it, as I reach that page. The other part says it's okay to skip ahead. My main concern was not writing it in a way which would contradict Anni principles. So far, it sounds like, although Anni theory doesn't care which way the A goes, the word family does.

    Also, is there a brief form for "associate"? Often there's a sequence of brief forms, like will / let / letter, and I like to see them together.

  6. G-R A-N-S! U-R TH-B-E-S!

    As McBud states, from the Anniversary Dictionary:

    associate A-S-O-SH-T
    association A-S-O-SH
    associatie A-S-O-SH-DEF
    dissociate D-S-O-SH-T

    I have several copies of the Simplified Dictionary but since I primarily employ Anniversary and pre-Anniversary, all my Simplified and DJS textbooks are packed away and it would not be fun to look for them. LOL

  7. Hi, I don't know if anyone is still interested, but I looked in my Simplified dictionary, and "association" is given as A-S-O-SH-IA-SH.
    I will definitely be going with the Anni A-S-O-SH hereafter.

    Two outlines that disagree with me (in Simplified) are "surprise" and "exercise".
    Trying to sort out the loops and circles and curves going round and round and round in the same direction drove me crazy, so I secretly use my own brief forms.

  8. Sidehetaba, I think you're right. I'm pure Canadian when I say that word, but straight line for "sh", then the loop goes clockwise.

    No one has come up with any reason why the left-s can't be used, to get the loop out of the way, so if I want to spell it out I can do it my way without conflicting.

    I don't like the Anni sequence. If I saw A-S-O-SH as a noun, with ambiguous context, I could see myself thinking either "associate" or "association". If I used them a lot, it makes sense to spell out SH-T rather than SH-SH. However, one of my goals is long-term legibility in a wide variety of fields rather than pure speed. Experience has shown that I don't take notes often enough to want to risk ambiguity.

    Thanks!

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