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  1. at first glance looks like a shoddy rip off. Also published before the 1916 version with it's improvements and the later anniversary edition. I would ask if anyone ever won a speed test with this system.

    Sasa, do you have a system that you write? Are you interested in writing shorthand or are you more interested in the various versions that have existed?

  2. I'm not sure how the extra characters to represent complex syllables will improve speed, when you have to memorize even more. I'm going to take a look at their brief form list though. Maybe there's something worth trying there …

  3. I am interested into learning shorthand and history of it. I am especially interested into forms of script, cursive, shorthand. Books like this one that I sent a link for I found while I was looking for some English script systems.
    And I am also interested into systems of shorthand where the word could be represented in full (kind of alternative alphabet) but easier than traditional orthography.

  4. I had a look, and, as someone who's just being using Gregg casually for about two years, I found that the things this 'system' introduces a) don't solve any of my issues, and b) add a layer of complexity by introducing extra blends that don't resemble the strokes for their constituent sounds — so it struck me as just more stuff to remember!

  5. Sasa, you might be interested in Evans Speed Shorthand. Copyright is 1946, but it was still in print up through at least 1990.

    Hamish, I have to agree with you about the extra blends. This variation might have useful bits and pieces, but those aren't likely to be among them.

  6. I'll see what I can do. I believe the book is still under copyright; that's probably one reason you couldn't find anything. There's an image of the cover of a different edition from the one I have on Amazon's site. It's white shorthand on a turquoise background, so it's a bit hard to see clearly.


    The alphabet and writing somewhat resemble Gregg shorthand. The alphabet includes separate characters for C, Q, W, X, Y, & Z, so it could possibly be used orthographically.

  7. I ordered a copy of Evans' book, and I'm really hoping it'll work as an adjunct to Gregg and not have to be a complete replacement.

    For a while I've been careful about looking too closely at other systems because my grasp of Gregg was so tenuous, but I feel confident enough now to start branching out. Lord knows nobody would ever be able to decipher all my notes as it is!

  8. If I may ask, I see that many of members from this forum are ordering old books. Can you please offer a guidance which sites are good to search on (in terms of price and simplicity of ordering)?
    I never have done it so I am sort of clumsy in that matter. Also I am living in Istanbul and while I presume there should be no problem for major sites to send books here there may be for others.

  9. abebooks.com is great. If there are many books available, you can filter by country of seller, to save at the border. It's usually cheaper than Amazon for used books. Abebooks isn't a bookstore. It's a site where bookstores can sell what they have.

  10. Also, look carefully at prices. Sometimes a seller thinks they have something very special. Alice in Wonderland fans think the story in shorthand is worth hundreds. Shorthand enthusiasts know the book comes up often and pay 10 or 20, or less (or get it free online).

  11. It would take some adapting, but could probably be done. Q is like V, but more upright. W is a short, shallow upward curve, kind of like a loosely-written OO hook. C is a sideways hook, so depending on which series of Gregg you write, that may carry over directly without problems. X is just a cross stroke over the nearest character.

    Y is going to be the sticker. Evans uses a circle for O, so the Y is the O hook from Gregg shorthand. Since you already have the dot for H, maybe you could use the H curve for Y. It's like the W curve, but downward.

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