Differences between th/s and sh,ch,j/t,d

Just for my sake, since I haven’t come across enough Gregg to see the true difference yet…

What exactly is the difference between a th and a s stroke?

What is the difference between the sh/ch/j and the t/d stroke?

(by Austin for group greggshorthand)

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  1. In short, the difference has to do more with the direction of writing than with the actual shape.

    The sh, ch, and j strokes are written downwards and are more vertical, while the t and d are written upwards: t to about 1/4 of the space, and d to about 1/2 of the space.

    The right s is a comma and the left is is the mirror image of the comma s, and both strokes are written downwards. The th strokes are written upwards.

  2. That was one of my early stumbling blocks, too. Direction is important in Gregg — more important than exact angle. Often, angle is adjusted to make the outline easier to write.

    Even if you're delaying writing (as the Functional method recommends), try writing all the sample words as you do each chapter, just to see how the shapes flow together.

    You'll find the same thing with O and OO. They're often turned to one side or the other, depending on the surrounding letters. In some hands, they become more of a retrace than a hook/bump. This was dropped in DJS, so each letter is more independent. It doesn't save that much with learning, but adds sharp angles which slow you down.

    For sh,ch,j vs t,d,td , look at the angle. When writing down (sh, ch, j), it's easier to be almost vertical. When writing up, it's easier to use a slant. Some plate writers' t's have a very shallow slope and their n,m,mn series is absolutely horizontal. Others use a steper t, with very steep ch , and are a bit less consistent with their m's.

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