Stenographie Gregg Blog!

Hi everyone,

I’ve created a blog with texts written in French Gregg (with the keys). Check it out here: ( As you can probably see by the questionable penmanship, it’s certainly a work in progress and probably not very useful to anyone right now, but I’m using the blog to personally track my progress. One day, when I improve, I hope that this blog can be a useful source for people learning French Gregg.
Feel free to critique my work. I could see (even as I wrote) that my proportions were quite wrong (especially with a and e) but I kept it as a benchmark (looking back might be fun in a year or so!). Another thing bothering me are my s’s and f’s. I also haven’t really studied through the phrases in the book, and I was reluctant to make my own, so I pretty much wrote all the words out individually. If you have any tips on these or other problems, they would be appreciated!

(by Sirius for group greggshorthand)
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  1. OK, I'll be sure to change that in the next part of the story. Also, should all the first letters start on the line, even if that means that the other letters will go below the line?

    Now that I have access to the computer (with the manual on it), I realise that I have done some short forms completely wrong. Next time I'll pick out short forms and phrases before I start so that I get all of them.

  2. In general, the first letter of a word has its bottom on the line (so it starts there if it goes horizontally or upwards, and it ends there if it goes downwards), even if following letters go beneath the line.

    However, an s- at the start of the word before a consonant is nto counted, for example, "spend" would have the "p" sitting on the line with the "s" on top of it, rather than the "s" on the line and the "p" going down below it.

  3. Very good! One thing to remember is that the base of the ch stroke rests on the line, so in the word "chaperon", the ch-a should rest on the line. Also, shouldn't that word be written ch-a-p-r-n, given that per- and pro- are pr? There are other words I would've written slightly different, but overall it looks good!!!

  4. OK, I'll try to keep things on the line, I don't get how Gregg is supposed to be done without lines, it's hard enough getting everything lined up as it is! I'm starting on my next post soon. Going slowly, because I keep messing up. I think the trick is not to think too much and to do the outlines quickly (my pen likes to seep in to the paper).

  5. Here's advice on size.

    In general, the bottom of the first "letter" sits on the line — unless the first letter is an s.

    If the first letter is s, then the bottom of the second letter sits on the line.

    Take a page of well-written shorthand (or a photo-copy) and draw lines on it to see how it all fits together.

    Many outlines end up going below the line — some of them quite far. On later lines, just write around them or skip a line. A few go up into earlier lines, but not too many. Just write the word properly. In a few weeks it won't bother you. Leaving space between words helps.

    The position doesn't matter in Gregg. Just like in longhand, the few strokes that aren't connected (dot of i) are close enough to the main word it doesn't matter. Pittman, on the other hand, needs lines since position carries a lot of information.

  6. That chart is dangerous. It implies that replacing sounds is all there is to it, like Level 1 Braille or signing the deaf alphabet. That type of thinking will create bad habits.

    I like the chart for the summary. You are warned of similar shapes in advance, so you can keep them distinct.

  7. The only danger is if people think the chart is all there is, and don't only read a few chapters of the book. It creates the habit of sticking letters together without proper joining.

    I like the chart for a quick overview, and to be aware of the different shapes and angles that have to be kept distinct.

  8. I don't see harm in presenting the chart — it's just an illustration of the Gregg symbols. (Moreover, it was done since the first edition of Gregg, and unfortunately, it was discontinued in the Simplified and later series.) It's just like presenting an alphabet in any language. And the way he's doing it by saying that the symbols come from cursive is perfectly fine. I'm not sure what bad habits you are referring to.

  9. Hi all!
    I like this approach and it looks very nice. I'm still learning French myself, though I am definitely interested. Is there a list of brief forms anywhere? There used to be a resource on the old forum I thought might have them but the link seems broken now.

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