Simplified Attainable Speed Question

Yesterday I was surfing the internet and was reading the article on Wikipedia about Gregg Shorthand which I have read several times previously over the past several months. One thing that I took notice to this last time was that I am seeing conflicting info and was wondering if anyone could help clear it up. I was always under the impression that Anniversary AND Simplified (with years of diligent practice, of course) that both of these systems can attain 280 WPM. However when I read Wikipedia yesterday it was saying Simplified can attain up to 150 WPM. Any thoughts?

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  1. You can reach high speeds with Simplified, past 150 wpm, with a lot of practice. There is nothing that would impede you going much faster. At a certain point, your ability to carry more words in the brain will surpass your actual writing speed, so you will be able to write more words in less time, which means that you will writing faster.

  2. I understand from my reading that the only way to attain a high speed of 280 wpm with Anniversary (or any other system) is to learn the reporting shortcuts, which seems to be further abbreviating whatever system you know. The way I understand it, a reporting style can be pursued after Simplified is learned but I've never looked into it.

  3. Wikipedia is only as accurate as the last person to edit it.

    Many of the "advanced" shortcuts in Simplified are "intermediate" in Anniversary. Some don't exist because they use bits that Simplified doesn't, such as the reversed-R.

    Articles by teachers and high-speed writers are consistent: The brain thinking about what to write takes more time than actually writing it.

    Swem (I thin it was him) wrote an article about brief forms. He said that he's more likely to write things out "now" than he used to be, and found little effect on his speed.

    One of our former members was a court reporter who wrote Simplified. I'm not sure how much she modified it.

    But I do hear you! I know just enough Anni that I look at some Simplified outlines and say, "Are you nuts! Three extra corners, and that convoluted squiggle can be left out entirely!" ("Association" is one of those words.)

  4. All other factors being equal, i.e., knowing your system, personal ability, etc., the system that requires the least amount of motion and has the most convenient/efficient movements is going to be capable of achieving the fastest speeds. It will also be easier to achieve a faster speed with the most efficient system. The factor of what I call "learnability" i.e., the good sense of the system also figures in.

    In that same Wikipedia article C. Swem is quoted to say that Simplified writers, like all shorthand writers, switch over to a special reporting system to achieve the speed necessary for court reporting.

    The reason "simplified" was "simplified" was because higher speeds were not the immediate goal, but rather business office stenography. The vocabulary emphasis was also reduced.

  5. Yes, fewer strokes is faster — but under 100 wpm, we waste more time thinking about how to write and writing slowly than writing long outlines. A slightly longer outline that you write without hesitation is faster than having to think. At lower speeds, it's more efficient to work on theory and common words than it is to memorize long lists of rarer words.

    In running prose, every other word is 'the'. If you cut your hesitation for that word in half, you'll get a 5% speed increase. One of the Anni books lists the most common words. Something like the top 1000 words form 99% of running prose.

  6. So are there actual specific books that teach Simplified reporting techniques? I'm just curious. Or is it something that really only applies to people who have learned the Anniversary system? I doubt I will ever be able to attain fast speeds. I just am enjoying learning something that is so interesting and old.

  7. Thanks for pointing that out to me Escritora. I suppose I should just bite the bullet and install that Adobe Digital program. I tend to stay away from Adobe products because they seem to put so much extra unneeded stuff on your PC. But, there have been several books I've wanted to check out that I guess I'll download it and check it out.

    I hope to be able to start adding more books to my shorthand library 🙂

  8. I installed Adobe Digital Editions. Pretty nice program. I downloaded the book from above. The plates are very easy to read and the person who did them writes very nice.

    Does anyone experience VERY slow response when trying to scroll through books? Not sure if it's just specific to this one book since it's the only one I've downloaded so far, but I do have a fairly fast notebook so not sure if this is normal or not.

    1. Sometimes. I think the pdfs with the colored pages (as opposed to b&w) use more computer juice. I upgraded my computer awhile back so that I could cut my wait times, but I seem to have a tendency to max it out. I've had everything running slowly for the past week or so, and I'm not sure what I did to fix it. Closing and re-opening my browser, a program or two, a bunch of adobe pdfs?

  9. Darn it… guess there's no way to print out the book… It would be nice to be able to read this book or future books while I'm at work. Our IT department doesn't allow you to install programs on our computers at work. Boo hoo…

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