New to here, and Gregg.

I just wanted to stop by and say hello and introduce myself. My name is Brenna and I’m in high school and I’m teaching  myself Diamond Jubilee Gregg in my free time. I am now able to take notes with it, but I’m still very slow. 🙁 Here’s a small sample of my writing, an excerpt from the first verse of Blondie’s song Live it Up (Your old lover’s lying in the gutter, he used to be such an all night strutter.) is it legible or do I need to work more?

I’ll post some actual notes tomorrow, thanks everyone. 🙂
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  1. Welcome Brenna to the Gregg Shorthand group. I am also teaching myself shorthand, too. I am learning Simplified. I do not know much of what the differences there are between Simplified and DJS. Your proportions look good from what I can see. Not sure if this could be a difference between the two systems but the V in the word "lover's" should be written downward (correct me if I'm wrong – just going by what I know in Simplified). Also you may want to consider phrasing "in the" for efficiency.

    I, by any means, am NOT an expert – LOL. I am just beginning Chapter III, Assignment 13 in my Simplified manual.

    You will learn more than you can imagine from some of the people here. I know I have.

  2. Welcome to the group!

    Thanks for posting your notes. Can you tell us which lesson of the manual are you studying? The reason I'm asking is that for some of the words, the characters are not correct, as if you're trying to get ahead in writing without a full knowledge of the principles of the system. For example, in the word "old", the "ld" has a special character, and I see that you're using the l+d. We usually phrase "in the", because it is very common. Also, the "v" in the word "lover" is written down, as if it were a big comma. If you write it up, it is a completely different character. Likewise, the word "all" is written with an o-hook (not with a circle), there is a "u" missing in the word "strutter", and there is an small circle missing at the beginning of the word "used." Some of these things are explained later in the manual.

    My recommendation is to take the material from the manual that you have studied and copy it in your best shorthand possible so that we can then tell you what needs work from the penmanship point of view, and not focus so much in the construction of new words, which you will learn little by little as you study the manual.

    I hope this helps!

  3. Thanks again. 🙂

    I originally wanted to learn S90 because I heard it was the easiest series to learn, but I was given this DJS book. (It's actually an old textbook from my school) are there any differences between the two besides the number of brief forms?

    1. DJS and S90 are on the surface very similar. With respect to the theory, some minor abbreviations for word beginnings and word endings were eliminated in S90. Some words in S90 have a different outline than in DJS, but nothing major. However, the major change in S90 is not just the number of brief forms, but that in S90 each brief form corresponds to one word, while in DJS (and in other series) a brief form can have many meanings depending on the context. This by itself makes DJS a better series to learn than S90, because of the speed potential.

    2. The official count has S90 containing 115 brief forms representing 132 words, and DJS containing 129 representing 148. The number of brief forms that represented multiple words was changed from 18 in DJS to 16 in S90. Here is the list in DJS:
      1. are-our-hour
      2. will-well
      3. a-an
      4. it-at
      5. in-not
      6. is-his
      7. you-your
      8. be-by
      9. there-their
      10. were-year
      11. one-won
      12. thing-think
      13. important-importance
      14. correspond-correspondence
      15. how-out
      16. ever-every
      17. satisfy-satisfactory
      18. publish-publication

      In S90:
      1. are-our-hour
      2. will-well
      3. a-an
      4. it-at
      5. in-not
      6. is-his
      7. you-your
      8. be-by
      9. there-their
      10. one-won
      11. thing-think
      12. important-importance
      13. correspond-correspondence
      14. ever-every
      15. satisfy-satisfactory
      16. publish-publication

      I should've been clearer that they didn't completely eliminated the multiple meaning BFs in S90, but they reduced them.

  4. It doesn't have several blends, e.g. u, o with adjacent K/G/R/L. I'm not sure DJS does either tho.

    Anniversary has a reversing-R principle you might like even if you don't want to use its briefs.

  5. Hi Brenna, Welcome to the group!

    You've made a great start.

    I studied DJS first, but since the book didn't have speed goals, I never pushed myself. I changed systems every time I got frustrated, but settled on Simplified and promised myself I won't switch again until I finish it.

    You're right, Gregg Shorthand is too much to learn during finals. I thought I could learn it during March Break, then learned they used to teach the book you have in 4 months — that's 90 minutes of class a day, and 90 minutes at home, to reach between 60 and 80 words per minute. That's 225 hours. IIRC, all the theory is in the first half of the book, and the second half is review and speed-building.

    It's not just writing one shape per sound. The direction of writing makes a difference. Some sounds are left out. If you write a circle on the other side of the line, you add an R. Common phrases are combined into single "words", and common words are abbreviated.

    It's worth the investment, though. My meeting notes are filled with "don't interrupt, she'll just talk longer" and other practice phrases!

    Take each chapter, one at a time, and really learn it. Otherwise, it's like finding area before you learn decimals. Yes, it's doable, but it's much more powerful together.

    That's not to say you shouldn't read ahead. In fact, you should. Some of the rules don't make sense until you learn the related rules. You'll also get a better feel for how the shapes are supposed to look. Reading is a great way to reinforce the concepts. Most learners ignore reading, but after many years of teaching, Gregg concluded that students who set a reading speed goal of twice their writing goal, need fewer hours overall to learn the system. I keep two bookmarks: One for writing, where I build each and every word list and passage to my current speed, and one for reading, where I try to read at normal speaking speed.

    1. Does your manual say "Functional Method" in the title? If so, the manual is designed so that you won't write anything until Lesson 21. Instead, you should be reading the lesson plates until you're reading them like you read a book. Master each lesson before proceeding to the next. However, working on penmanship doesn't hurt.

  6. When I started teaching myself shorthand back in August I didn't even know there were different ways of learning it. I started teaching myself using just the regular non-functional 2nd. edition of the simplified system. Then when I came upon this wonderful group I learned that there was a whole different approach to learning shorthand and that it is called the Functional Method. After reading about how it's taught and the principal behind that method it really made a lot of sense to me. So, I basically started all over again using the 1st edition of the Simplified Functional Method manual. It's been really amazing (to me at least) at how fast you can begin to read shorthand plates. So I basically stopped writing shorthand and am solely reading until I can read each section fluently. Then (hopefully) come the end of chapter 21 I should be able to write it (fingers crossed) LOL.

    I think you're correct in focusing on your finals first. Shorthand definitely requires DAILY practice and time to dedicate to it.

    Good luck and keep asking questions. I feel funny being the only one who asks the most around here (heehee).

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