Frick and Vietti, take and make

In Frick and Vietti’s /Talk and Take Gregg Shorthand/, on the last page headed “Short Forms for High Speed Writing” there are some abbreviated forms for highly common words.  Make : m-a;  Take:  t-a;  Taken: t-a-n.  I’m wondering a bit about phrasing possibilities for these, and derivatives.  ‘To make’ should be tm-a, possibly confusable with ‘to my’ in some contexts.  “Take the” is clearly t-a-th, but I find my hand wants to turn it into that-the.  What should the forms for ‘takes’ and ‘makes’ be?  It could just be t-a-s, m-a-s, but I wonder if it shouldn’t work like ‘names’ and ‘cares’, giving an angled joining to the s to show the omitted consonant.

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  1. Not because a expedient exists, it necessary means that we should always use it, and in that form. Relevant examples are presented in the Gregg Reporting Shortcuts books.

    For make and take, the second edition presents examples of their use. "Makes" is written m-a-s. Sometimes "make" is eliminated from the phrase, as in "does not make any difference", which is written d-oo-right s-n-e-v" (the v coming from the dev blend). "To make" and "Did you make" have the same outline (tm-a). It is nice to write "take" as "ta" in phrases like "take care" (t-a-k-a), "take advantage" (t-a-v), "take a look" (t-a written to the right-l-oo), and others. Many other examples exist.

  2. I had a similar question about the very first shortcut presented in the Expert Speed Course (Anni). The word "inform" seems a good choice for a further abbreviation. But "n-f"?

    Experience has slowly taught me that the conflicts I can imagine almost never occur, but in this case isn't it obvious that "inform" could conflict with "influence"? Surely it must have occurred to someone, but what would be the solution? Just "wing it"? Or use a different outline for "influence"?

    1. Thank you for another awesome link!

      Your reply raises another question. Why compare only the roots without considering the derivatives?:

      1. influence – 38,317
      2. influenced – 9,786
      3. influencing – 2,083
      4. influent – 102
      5. influential – 7,016
      6. influentially – 13
      7. uninfluenced – 35

      TOTAL: 57,352

      1. inform – 5,168
      2. informal – 6,677
      3. informality – 235
      4. informally – 914
      5. informant – 1,470
      6. informatics – 115
      7. information – 144,721
      8. informational – 1,032
      9. informative – 1,582
      10. informatively – 8
      11. informed – 13,168
      12. informer – 296
      13. informing – 1,599
      14. misinform – 22
      15. misinformation – 824
      16. disinformation – 364
      17. uninformative – 55
      18. uninformed – 532

      TOTAL: 178,782

      In that case, "inform" beats "influence" by a greater than 3-to-1 margin.

      Regarding your last statement, my first thought was, how could someone taking high-speed dictation think that fast? But I have some experience to guide now, which tells me that in another year or two I'll probably take your assertion for granted.

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