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  1. This is really amazing, given the date (1935). 25 years before the first edition of Notehand. Do you know anything about the "Greghand Reading Book" that's mentioned on page 40?

    1. Thanks Marc. I can't begin to express how much I like the idea of Greghand; it appeals to my geeky personality which would happily sacrifice some potential speed in exchange for fewer rules with fewer exceptions.

      Having only about 40 brief forms (which mostly had about the same meanings in previous and future forms of GS) hits the sweet spot for me.

      The very simple rules of abbreviation in paragraphs 62-64 are perfect. Paragraph 65 should make it possible to create outlines in a very consistent way, and could also be used (under a liberal interpretation) to excuse oneself from having outlines that poke up into the line of text above or crash down into the line below.

      I hope someday we will get a chance to see a few pages from the Reader.

    2. I wonder if anyone has done a comparison between Greghand and Notehand, to see how much of Greghand appeared much later in the Notehand texts. They seem very similar to me, but I haven't tried to do a side by side comparison at all.

    3. Yes, studying the differences would be a good day-long project for someone. Here are 3 differences that popped out at me:

      "mix" is spelled m,i,tilted_s in Greghand, but m,i,k,s in Notehand.

      "he" is spelled with a dot in Notehand, without a dot in Greghand.

      "can" is spelled k-a-n in Notehand, but in Greghand it's a brief form spelled k

  2. I was able to sit down and read through the Greghand book this morning. I felt like I was reading "Notehand: Anniversary Edition." 🙂 The format and the plates both remind me of the Anni manual, whereas the shorthand content itself is reminiscent of Notehand. Many of the brief forms (such as "that" and "they") and common words (like "from") are like Notehand to my eye. I have the impression that the words aren't all spelled as thoroughly as in Notehand; I would have expected more vowels here and there. I wish it had "picture" so I could compare to Simplified's spelling.

    I liked the Greghand shorthand plates; the writing seems very fluid and "real" to me. While the plates in the Simplified manual are very attractive, these seem more down-to-earth and attainable in style.

    I wonder if this is how Gregg Shorthand was written in its earliest days, before it evolved and was refined for court reporting speeds?

    1. An extensive search turned up only one trace of Greghand activity…

      Santa Cruz Sentinel (California)

      January 10, 1937

      New System for Note Taking at Evening School

      Beginning with the new term of the Adult Evening school next week, a course in Greghand will be offered for the first time.

      This is a simplified method of note taking designed for those who desire to attaina skill and proficiency in a much shorter time than required for shorthand in any of the forms previously offered, since the complete course can be mastered in two quarters. Greghand trains one adequately for note taking in office work, college courses or personal work with a minimum amount of time and preparation.

      The class will meet two evenings a week, on Tuesday and Thursday, at 7:30 and will be under the supervison of Ethel Burt. Mrs Burt has had practical office experience, as well as experience in high school and university teaching and was for four years instructor and head of the secretarial department at Armstrong college in Berkeley.

    2. OK, from 7:30 until when? For how many weeks? (If a typical semester is 15 weeks, is a quarter 7?) I'd like to know how quickly the system could be learned. I'd also like to know what speeds Mrs. Burt's students could attain after finishing theory and after an extra semester of practice. Of course, I'm sure those facts are lost. . . .

  3. I have a project suggestion: rewrite the Notehand reading assignments in Greghand. If you have the time and are interested in doing it, it would a great way to practice your penmanship!

    Who's up for the challenge? :-).

  4. Thank you very much for posting the Greghand Manual. What fun! I've been working through the 1960 Notehand, comparing it to the DJS for Colleges, Volume One, and then working on the same things in the Anni Manual, hoping somehow to combine them. Dr. Gregg seems to have covered all wishes and needs!

    It would be wonderful to see The Greghand Reading Book, too. 🙂

    Thanks, again. I am so delighted to be able to work on Greghand. It's a treasure.

    1. Carlos, if it does come in, I will try to scan it. I don't know how to change the way the pages look, just basic scans. I'm rather a permanent beginner regarding computers. If my scans don't turn out well, I could just mail you photocopies.

      I'll contact you about that. 🙂

      I do hope the library can get it.

    2. Looks like I am able to sign on again. 🙂

      The library was not able to obtain The Greghand Reading Book via Inter-Library Loan.

      I hope someone else can get the book and make it available.

      I really like Greghand!

  5. There appears to be an early draft of Greghand, dated 1922, entitled "Gregghand" (note the spelling).

    The New York Public Library has a copy; it is listed in the "Guide to the John Robert Gregg Papers" (box 58, folder 3).

    The NYPL has a vast collection of Dr Greggs's (and his widow's) papers, documents, draft books etc. and they will make copies for the public, but not free of charge, unfortunately.

  6. Wow !!! I really like Greghand.

    I downloaded the pdf of the manual yesterday and had a quick look through. If Greghand doesn't "go against" any of the Anni rules, would it make sense to learn Greghand first and then go back and resume my study of Anni? Given my age, I may not live long enough to thoroughly learn Anni 🙂 But, I shall, keep plugging along.

    It sure would be nice to have the Greghand Reading Book. If I lived in DC, I'd go to the Library of Congress and photocopy it myself….. hint, hint, hint to anyone going to DC … 🙂

    1. You probably can read most of Greghand already with the few Anniversary lessons that you already have. I wouldn't learn both at the same time because some of the words are written completely different, and that can throw you off a bit. For example, "they" in Greghand is not a brief form and it is written th-a, like the Anniversary brief form for "that" (whereas "that" is written with the t in Greghand).

    2. I can read most of the Greghand manual, but was thrown off by the differences…. even though there aren't that many.

      As I was going through it and thinking some more about it I came to the conclusion that I will put it aside and continue on with my Anni Functional Method studies…. even though it is slow going.

      One thought that came to mind…

      If my primary goal was to write notes to myself or write in a journal, Greghand would be fun and sufficient.

      But if my primary goals are 1) to keep my brain active and challenged and stave off dementia and 2) to be able to read interesting things in Gregg Shorthand (like Alice in Wonderland)

      then… Anniversary is the correct choice …. as I had decided earlier.

      Nonetheless, Greghand is an interesting find.

      Thanks Carlos. I shall put Greghand aside and continue with my Anni studies……

  7. I have been trying since last fall to get the Library of Congress to scan the Greghand Reading Book in for me. Every time I go through the process of requesting it, they email me back some time later that "the Library does not have this item available at this time. It was not on the shelf when the search was conducted. It may be in use with another patron or project." Then they tell me to wait 30 days before requesting it again. Aaaargh! I fear the copy is lost or the people searching for it incompetent. I'm on my 4th time requesting it. I have a hard time believing this obscure book is so popular that it is checked out every time I've requested it. But anyway, that is the current status. Has anyone else had any luck getting a copy of this elusive book?

    1. If you're willing to travel to Rider University you might be able to visit the copy that resides in the Louis A Leslie Collection.

      Although I was briefly infatuated with Greghand, I don't think it's ever going to develop a following and come into usage. It can't compete with Notehand IMHO.

    2. I've been tempted to go to the Library of Congress, which is closer than Rider (about 5 hours away from me, I think). If I ever get over that way I'll definitely pop in!

      Yes, I agree Notehand is most likely the better of the two for personal use, though I can't be sure until I read the content in the Reading Book. The main point in Greghand's favor is that it is in the public domain (and, like Notehand, I am assuming it has more interesting reading material than the business letters found in the other editions). I suspect Notehand is much better organized as a textbook, too. But I'm still looking into its potential use for teaching homeschoolers. We can get Notehand as a print-on-demand at this point, but for how much longer, I wonder.

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