Outline for “entry”–Anniversary and Simplified

Both the Anniversary and Simplified dictionaries show NT-R-E as the outline for “entry,” even though they show  Superscript N-N-S for “entrance.”   Can anyone explain why the approved outline for “entry” is not Superscript N-E?

(by Bruce
E.
for group greggshorthand) 

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  1. I would suspect NT-R-E facilitates immediate transcription of notes whereas Superscript N over N-S is clearly "entrance". Superscript N over E might be difficult to read as "entry" in connected matter if not immediately obvious from context.

  2. There is a general principle that disjoined prefixes are only combined with other prefixes, and disjoined suffixes are only combined with other suffixes. In theory, disjoined prefixes and suffixes are not combined in the same stroke (neither are disjoined suffixes with prefixes), because by not being disjoined anymore, legibility could be affected. Having said that, as a shortcut, you could use that combination. It would be analogous to writing "decline" as "disjoined den", with a distinct joining between the e and n formed by writing "d – e" as you normally would, and joining the n stroke at the end, below the e.

  3. mcbud: Gregg himself said that any outline which could be transcribed correctly was correct. He told teachers not to waste time making sure their students always wrote theoretically correct outlines. I know that I can write N/E for "entry" if I wish. I just wanted to know why N/E was not given as the "correct" outline. You and piqueroi answered that question; but in your further comments you have raised another in my mind: For what possible reason would you choose to join the N in "decline"? Do you think that joining it would save time?

  4. Incidentally, the same situation happens with the word "century." It is not written "disjoined right s-n" – e, nor "disjoined right s-ne." It is written right s-e-nt-r-e. Same thing for the word "sentry." So the shortest outline is not always the recommended one in the dictionary.

  5. Gregg made that remark in the context of not wasting time in class correcting outlines. He didn't say "write outlines at your own will." What he was pointing out was that class time should be dedicated to dictation and speed practice, and not to correcting outlines. The correction of outlines was the responsibility of the student. Outlines that created confusion were marked, included in a running list, and checked with the dictionary once the dictation was finished. The student would practice on his own those outlines.

    Now, in my own writing I use many outlines that are not according to theory. To me they are correct because I can read them. In fact, I may start writing "entry" using the shortcut.

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